b i in terms of running those organizations. what is the added value based on the money spent on the fusion centers and what do they bring? it was real privacy rights that have been violated at fusion centers that have to be cleaned p. we are not the number one funder of that. the question is with a limited budget, where do we get the most bang for our buck? as we researched this, but we found is not very good value for the money we are giving. your job is to be a visionary and you think that value will come. i just have real doubts on it. in a time of limited budget, much -- my hope is taking something that is working well and enhance them where we can to do everything you want to see in a fusion center done there rather than have two separate organizations. you and i will continue that conversation in the future and hopefully we will get a better bang for our buck of what is oing into fusion centers and more product that is usable. >> i would be happy to work with you on that. i would hope to persuade you that what we need are